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#1 'unnessecary emotions' | #1 'unnessecary emotions' | ||
* maybe it refers to me being sad and disappointed by coordinators? | |||
if so I really want to be in the space where emotions are freely expressed | if so I really want to be in the {{C|space where emotions are freely expressed}} | ||
and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no? | and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no? | ||
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#2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise' | #2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise' | ||
* maybe refers to my calling out Madrid coordinators for unfriendly-take-over? | |||
if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise... | if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise... | ||
and doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning. | and {{C|doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning}}. | ||
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Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others | Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others | ||
languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many) | languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many) | ||
...it is very clear that (over-represented) Dutch take a lot of space in English | ...it is very clear that {{C|(over-represented) Dutch}} take a lot of space in English | ||
and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe. | and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe. | ||
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> Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable. | > Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable. | ||
Lets be a bit more realistic ECA is potentially valuable, | Lets be a bit more realistic {{C|ECA is potentially valuable}}, | ||
for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain! | for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain! | ||
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Considering the silence for many months by many participants | Considering the silence for many months by many participants | ||
fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option | {{C|fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option}} | ||
and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-) | and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-) | ||
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Please do not take this (only) personally | Please do not take this (only) personally | ||
I use your email to illustrate my point that We Are Different | I use your email to illustrate my point that {{C|We Are Different}} | ||
(it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-) | (it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-) | ||
and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated. | and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated. |
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From: zeljko@qsport.info To: Amanda Jansen <amanda@ouishare.net>, commonswatch@lists.p2pfoundation.net Subject: Tyranny of positivism? (Was: Reboot ECA) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:20:39 +0100
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Amanda Jansen <amanda@ouishare.net> wrote: > Love the proposal Frederic. It is clear and takes out unnessecary emotions or the creation of new troubles in paradise.
Dear Amanda (and all) -
I am not sure what do you mean by:
- 1 'unnessecary emotions'
- maybe it refers to me being sad and disappointed by coordinators?
if so I really want to be in the space where emotions are freely expressed and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no?
or
- 2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise'
- maybe refers to my calling out Madrid coordinators for unfriendly-take-over?
if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise... and doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning.
> I like the pleading for a better representation of French and English speaking cultures both.
Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many) ...it is very clear that (over-represented) Dutch take a lot of space in English and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe.
> Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable.
Lets be a bit more realistic ECA is potentially valuable, for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain!
> Otherwise criticism would just fall away or be dropped.
Considering the silence for many months by many participants fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-)
> That means there is energy to work with and to make this a success.
I think your dedication to positive input is impressive. I would rather commit as critical contributor (withholding cynicism just a tiny bit longer) with creative inputs, than simulate. Hope that is fine also. Is it?
Best Z
p.s. Please do not take this (only) personally I use your email to illustrate my point that We Are Different (it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-) and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated.