« ECA/Subject: Re: Reboot ECA Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:14:20 0100 » : différence entre les versions

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   From: zeljko@qsport.info
   To: Frédéric Sultan <fredericsultan@gmail.com>, commonswatch@lists.p2pfoundation.net
   Subject: Re: Reboot ECA
   Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:14:20 +0100

Dear Fred thank you for informative, insightful and thoughtful email.

I am again very sad to hear that people who have been 'coordinating' ECA Madrid take active steps to direct 'governing' in 'managerial' way over and over again in this NGO-industrial complex loophole.

I will not go into details of what is structurally problematic with that proposal until we have situation of acknowledging failures and joint, decentralised and mediated work on evaluations and planing.

However I fully support your path with minor terminology adjustments :-)

- rather than calling it #rebooting - i would consider it #refactoring as some things have been good and work results OK, but structures behind need to be substituted and recalibrated

- rather than using #governing - we use only #selfgoverning as this term explicitly leaves agency on each of us to act on and not go at all in direction of elected - representatives even if in the best 'democratic' election process...

- rather than just decentralised management and coordination - it would be useful to think of also distributed management and reduced coordination by total transparency of work (all communication and activities recorded/archived in realtime as if it is open-source software development system, so this 'private' situation you describe above can not happen!)

In solidarity - Z

p.s.

<3 you are sending it also in French - hope others respond also using non-english - only if they feel they express better

ECA

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      Subject: Re: Reboot ECA
      Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:14:20 +0100
--03-17 9:04 GMT+01:00 Frédéric Sultan <fredericsultan@gmail.com>:
-> (FRANÇAIS À LA SUITE)
->
-> Dear all,
->
-> As everyone knows, the ECA process has been searching for several
-> months. This has been discussed on Loomio, on the CommonsWatch mailing
-> list and as a result of the private messages asking for contributions to
-> the Madrid evaluation.
->
-> At the beginning of February, Nicole Leonard and Sophie Bloemen asked me
-> to meet (by phone with Sophie and IRL with Nicole) to think of a way to
-> solve the problems of personal relations which seemed to them a major
-> obstacle to the pursuit of the efforts made for 2 years through ECA.
-> Then a private thread opened to discuss the organization of a meeting
-> between a few people, in order to rethink ECA, its governance, its mode
-> of organization. An agenda of the meeting has been developed that
-> reflects two objectives: 1) rebuilding trust between the people included
-> in this private thread and 2) establishing a mode of governance that
-> could be adopted by ECA via a vote in Loomio.
->
-> In disagreement with this proposal, both on the content and on the
-> method, I tried to show what seems to me to be the contradictions of
-> this approach and to present a proposal to overcome these points of
-> blockage.
->
-> At the end of this discussion, we do not all agree (and this is a good
-> news!), but I decided not to participate in this meeting if it will take
-> place (it was decided to cancel it) because I believe it will reproduce
-> and amplify the difficulties that we already live at ECA, instead of
-> settling them. I have proposed that this meeting will be replaced by a
-> coordination process for 1) to identify the tools and the
-> infrastructures of the commons movement necessary and to which people
-> and organizations want to contribute in the realization, 2) to adopt
-> open commons based process of production of such tools and
-> infrastructures 3) to include the organizations that want to contribute
-> and ask them to take responsabilities 4) to adopt a transparent and
-> decentralized management of the resources alike for example one based on
-> Open Collective (transparency at 3 levels: contribution - where does the
-> resource come from, allocation - what resources are allocated to what,
-> and use - control of the nature of the expenditures). And I am committed
-> to invest time in this work with Remix the commons.
->
-> Actually, I hope that it will generate a coalition oriented to
-> decentralised action and make ECA a space possible for local, regional
-> or thematic commons coordination initiatives rather than a centralised
-> organizer. It can allow to nurture, mediate and circulate the ideas and
-> people of the commons movement. It should find a way to be respectful of
-> differences in cultures and decrease English language hegemony.
->
-> Of course, not everyone is convinced by my proposal, it's normal and
-> maybe it will not work. But now let's go and see the result.
->
-> FRANÇAIS
->
-> Comme chacun sait, le processus ECA se cherche depuis plusieurs mois.
-> Cela a été discuté sur Loomio, sur la liste de discussion CommonsWatch
-> et à la suite des messages privés de demande de contributions pour
-> l'évaluation de Madrid.
->
-> Au début du mois de février, Nicole Leonard et Sophie Bloemen m'ont
-> demandé de nous rencontrer (par téléphone avec Sophie et IRL avec
-> Nicole) pour réfléchir à une manière de résoudre les problèmes de
-> relations personnelles qui leur semblaient un obstacle majeur à la
-> poursuite des efforts réalisés depuis 2 ans à travers ECA. Puis un fil
-> de discussion par email privé s'est ouvert pour discuter de
-> l'organisation d'une rencontre entre quelques personnes, afin de
-> repenser ECA, sa gouvernance, son mode d'organisation. Un agenda de
-> rencontre a été élaboré qui reflète deux objectifs : 1) reconstruire de
-> la confiance entre les membres présents dans cette discussion et 2)
-> établir un mode de gouvernance qui pourrait être adopté par ECA à
-> travers un vote sur Loomio.
->
-> En désaccord avec cette proposition, à la fois sur le contenu et sur la
-> méthode, j'ai essayé de montrer ce qui me semble être les contradictions
-> de cette démarches et de présenter une proposition pour dépasser ces
-> points de blocage.
->
-> A la fin de cette discussion, nous ne sommes pas tous d'accord (et c'est
-> plutôt une bonne nouvelle !), mais j'ai décidé de ne pas participer à
-> cette rencontre si elle devait avoir lieu (il a finalement été décidé de
-> l'annuler) car je crois qu'elle va reproduire et amplifier les
-> difficultés que nous avons déjà rencontré à ECA plutôt qu'aider à les
-> régler. J'ai proposé que cette rencontre soit remplacée par un processus
-> de coordination qui vise à :
-> 1) d'identifier les outils et les infrastructures du mouvement commun
-> nécessaires et auxquels les personnes et les organisations veulent
-> contribuer à la réalisation, 2) d'adopter un processus basé sur les
-> communs pour produire de tels outils et infrastructures 3) inclure les
-> organisations intéressées à contribuer et leur demander de prendre des
-> responsabilités 4) d'adopter un système de gestion transparente et
-> décentralisée des ressources comme par exemple Open Collective
-> (transparence à 3 niveaux: contribution - d'où vient la ressource?
-> allocation - quelles ressources sont allouées à quoi ? et utilisation -
-> contrôle de la nature des dépenses). Et je me suis engagé à investir du
-> temps dans ce travail avec Remix the commons.
->
-> En fait, j'espère que cela permettra de générer une coalition orientée
-> vers l'action collective décentralisée et de faire de ECA un espace
-> possible pour les initiatives auto-organisées de coordination des
-> communs locales, régionales ou thématiques plutôt qu'un organisateur
-> centralisateur. Cela peut permettre de nourrir, de médiatiser et de
-> faire circuler les idées et les gens du mouvement des communs. Il faudra
-> trouver un moyen d'être respectueux des différences de cultures et
-> diminuer l'hégémonie de l'anglais.
->
-> Bien sûr, tout le monde n'est pas convaincu par ma proposition, c'est
-> normal et peut-être que ça ne marchera pas. Mais maintenant nous y
-> allons et nous verrons ce que cela donnera.
->
-> Bonne journée
-> Frédéric Sultan
 Dear Fred thank you for informative, insightful and thoughtful email.
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 However I fully support your path with minor terminology adjustments :-)
-- rather than calling it #rebooting - i would consider it #refactoring
+- rather than calling it #rebooting - i would consider it #{{C|refactoring}}
 as some things have been good and work results OK,
 but structures behind need to be substituted and recalibrated
-- rather than using #governing - we use only #selfgoverning
+- rather than using #governing - we use only #{{C|selfgoverning}}
 as this term explicitly leaves agency on each of us to act on
 and not go at all in direction of elected - representatives
@@ Ligne 142 : / Ligne 28 : @@
 - rather than just decentralised management and coordination -
-it would be useful to think of also distributed management
+it would be useful to think of also {{C|distributed management}}
-and reduced coordination by total transparency of work
+and {{C|reduced coordination}} by {{C|total transparency of work}}
-(all communication and activities recorded/archived in realtime
+({{I|all communication and activities recorded/archived in realtime}}
 as if it is open-source software development system,
 so this 'private' situation you describe above can not happen!)
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 <3 you are sending it also in French - hope others respond
-also using non-english - only if they feel they express better
+also {{I|using non-english - only}} if they feel they express better
+{{C|ECA}}
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