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#1 'unnessecary emotions'
#1 'unnessecary emotions'
- maybe it refers to me being sad and disappointed by coordinators?  
* maybe it refers to me being sad and disappointed by coordinators?  
if so I really want to be in the space where emotions are freely expressed
if so I really want to be in the {{C|space where emotions are freely expressed}}
and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no?
and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no?


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#2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise'  
#2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise'  
- maybe refers to my calling out Madrid coordinators for unfriendly-take-over?
* maybe refers to my calling out Madrid coordinators for unfriendly-take-over?
if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise...
if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise...
and doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning.   
and {{C|doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning}}.   




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Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others
Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others
languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many)
languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many)
...it is very clear that (over-represented) Dutch take a lot of space in English
...it is very clear that {{C|(over-represented) Dutch}} take a lot of space in English
and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe.
and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe.


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> Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable.  
> Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable.  


Lets be a bit more realistic ECA is potentially valuable,  
Lets be a bit more realistic {{C|ECA is potentially valuable}},  
for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain!
for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain!


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Considering the silence for many months by many participants
Considering the silence for many months by many participants
fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option
{{C|fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option}}
and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-)
and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-)


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p.s.
p.s.
Please do not take this (only) personally
Please do not take this (only) personally
I use your email to illustrate my point that We Are Different
I use your email to illustrate my point that {{C|We Are Different}}
(it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-)
(it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-)
and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated.
and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated.
{{C|ECA}}
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Dernière version du 3 avril 2018 à 18:43

   From: zeljko@qsport.info
   To: Amanda Jansen <amanda@ouishare.net>, commonswatch@lists.p2pfoundation.net
   Subject: Tyranny of positivism? (Was: Reboot ECA)
   Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:20:39 +0100

On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Amanda Jansen <amanda@ouishare.net> wrote: > Love the proposal Frederic. It is clear and takes out unnessecary emotions or the creation of new troubles in paradise.

Dear Amanda (and all) -

I am not sure what do you mean by:

  1. 1 'unnessecary emotions'
  • maybe it refers to me being sad and disappointed by coordinators?

if so I really want to be in the space where emotions are freely expressed and not sustained to accommodate cultural norms of global north - no?

or

  1. 2 'the creation of new troubles in paradise'
  • maybe refers to my calling out Madrid coordinators for unfriendly-take-over?

if so I really want to be clear with you that this is far from paradise... and doing trouble is absolutly part of growing up and learning.


> I like the pleading for a better representation of French and English speaking cultures both.

Please lets not limit it to these 2 as we experienced this with others languages/people presented (and maybe even more with absence of many) ...it is very clear that (over-represented) Dutch take a lot of space in English and especially when it comes to 'coordinating' the rest of NGO Europe.


> Positive note: everyone does find ECA valuable.

Lets be a bit more realistic ECA is potentially valuable, for some it is more effort (often wasted) than gain!

> Otherwise criticism would just fall away or be dropped.

Considering the silence for many months by many participants fall away/drop can actually be also considered as viable option and should be discussed as only things that can die - do live ;-)


> That means there is energy to work with and to make this a success.

I think your dedication to positive input is impressive. I would rather commit as critical contributor (withholding cynicism just a tiny bit longer) with creative inputs, than simulate. Hope that is fine also. Is it?


Best Z

p.s. Please do not take this (only) personally I use your email to illustrate my point that We Are Different (it is easier to do it with you as we know each other a bit by now ;-) and this needs to be present, conscious, expressed and articulated.

ECA